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Optimal would mean not to drop bombs on your own citizens

August 5, 2025

Verve Ventures interviewed John Jaeger, Hala’s CEO, about Hala’s origins and impact. John explained how Hala uses technology to protect civilians, strengthen justice, and advance accountability in challenging environments. John also discussed Hala’s how our work presently applies innovation to improve peace and human dignity. He also discussed Hala’s future direction.

This interview is important because it traces Hala’s evolution from developing AI-based early warning systems to its current work leveraging analytical capabilities to support war crimes documentation. It explains  how  data derived from one life saving technology can later support future justice. 

1 Source note: The Verve Ventures interview cites approximately 80,000 radio communications. Hala’s estimation more accurately reflects a figure of  700,000.

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John B. Jaeger explains why he founded Hala Systems and what role Hala has played in the Syrian civil war

700,000 radio communications recorded during the Syrian conflict1

This body of intelligence supported investigative work by organizations including The New York Times and the Open Society Foundation

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